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Recurring PES Problems

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This guy makes some interesting points:

Long video, which you can skip through. Basic point: the AI on older games like PES 3 used to cut off passing lanes as a matter of course. Would still make mistakes, but not in a routine fashion. The guy claims that PES 2018  AI looks like it can already do with improving it.

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Same bloke, arguing that ever since 2016 the AI has abandoned the midfield game:

Too long didn't watch? Summary: when there's goalmouth action, the defending team leaves a huge space in the midfield, defensive line stays far back, the CDM doesn't get in position.

His argument is that this problem is what causes the end-to-end nature of PES games lately. That no matter the great on-the-ball improvements, the game will suffer until Konami sort out basic defensive AI.

I think he makes a convincing case.

 

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watched bout 5 mins of the 2nd vid ill give them a proper watch later , seems he has some valid points , interesting 

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52 minutes ago, blueyboy_73 said:

watched bout 5 mins of the 2nd vid ill give them a proper watch later , seems he has some valid points , interesting 

Yeah, I've come across his posts on EvoWeb before, and seems to know his stuff. He was on one of the WENB/Footy United podcasts recently too. 

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You can tell the games like this with everyone play style is counter attack long ball no nidfield play basicly if you play 100 games online 90 of them will be similar 

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Looks pretty bad for Konami if PES 3 had better player positioning and defensive AI :lol: 

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Am not sure what he saying or it ment to fix . 

They replica goal all the time from real life play and when playing i don't think teams look out of position ...

Old game you had a lot of difference.  People struggle to pass the ball as it is . If the AI blocks all the lanes the AI for offensive does what ? 

Am confusing myself ....what problems is he wanting fixed ?

 

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11 hours ago, Rumley1993 said:

You can tell the games like this with everyone play style is counter attack long ball no nidfield play basicly if you play 100 games online 90 of them will be similar 

Been like that for so long now.Its got to the stage where you are almost punished by Konami  for being a possession type player, one mistake and it's boom bang thanks very much game over.

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9 minutes ago, Vegasvoss said:

Been like that for so long now.Its got to the stage where you are almost punished by Konami  for being a possession type player, one mistake and it's boom bang thanks very much game over.

Ye in myclub and online divisions mine says im possesion player id rather play like that try pick out Frillypink passes then lob the ball up to ibra or cross spamming every now and then though you get a decent game and it feels awsome but it is frustrating too at times 

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Can't see the problem, you can't expect to have majority of your players in the oppo half pinging the ball about without leaving your self open to a quick counter attack? Or passing it around in your own half and getting punished when they read your pass or your defenders fail to control the ball like Messi 

Ye myclub is a WAAC mode but isn't that why we are all here! 

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32 minutes ago, Rdotman said:

Can't see the problem, you can't expect to have majority of your players in the oppo half pinging the ball about without leaving your self open to a quick counter attack? Or passing it around in your own half and getting punished when they read your pass or your defenders fail to control the ball like Messi 

Ye myclub is a WAAC mode but isn't that why we are all here! 

Yeah that's true as well if your playing FLP and make the mistake then there is the risk of being punished.Not every player should be able to ping the ball to the forward like he is Glen Hoddle though and then for said forward to instantly control those high flight balls.These are player stat issues though.

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3 minutes ago, Vegasvoss said:

Yeah that's true as well if your playing FLP and make the mistake then there is the risk of being punished.Not every player should be able to ping the ball to the forward like he is Glen Hoddle though and then for said forward to instantly control those high flight balls.These are player stat issues though.

Hopefully some of these things have been adjusted in pes 18, at least passing looks like it has been made more unpredictable now from footage. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Rdotman said:

Hopefully some of these things have been adjusted in pes 18, at least passing looks like it has been made more unpredictable now from footage. 

 

Aye the more you see and read peoples comments that have played the game the better it's looking.Wont really know until we have played it ourselves but beta is getting close.

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